Curse

Milennin · Apr 15, 2007, 12:17 PM // 12:17

Allright, I've been trying to work on my Hero builds for a while, but can't find any good Energy Management for my two Monk Heroes, which I use for PvE.

I'm using these builds at the moment:

Tahlkora - Healer - 42 Energy - 540 Health

Attributes:
6 Inspiration Magic
14 Healing Prayers
12 Divine Favour

Word of Healing
Orison of Healing
Dwayna's Kiss
Smite Hex
Power Drain
Leech Signet
Channeling
Rebirth

Dunkoro - Protector - 47 Energy - 540 Health

Attributes:
10 Inspiration Magic
8 Smiting Prayers
14 Protection Prayers

Reversal of Fortune
Reversal of Damage
Shielding Hands
Restore Condition
Aegis
Energy Tap
Channeling
Rebirth

Dunkoro's usually running out of Energy pretty fast, Tahlkora only starts running out of Energy when Dunkoro can't protect anymore. They don't seem to make much use of their Mesmer skills, or they just don't help enough.
Is there away to balance Healing/Protecting more or to have some better Energy management.=\

Skuld · Apr 15, 2007, 12:22 PM // 12:22

LoD = Energy management

Glyph of Lesser Energy + Aegis = energy management

----
12+1+1 heals
10+1 divine
8+1 prot

LoD
RoF
Dwayna's Kiss
Signet of Rejuvination
Holy Veil
Dismiss Condition
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Aegis

----
12+1+1 prot
8+1 divine
10+1 heals

RC
RoF
Prot Spirit
Holy Veil
Gift of Health
Shielding Hands
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Aegis

Thom Bangalter · Apr 15, 2007, 01:54 PM // 13:54

actually, you've given them p drain and leech sig, so that should give them a nice battery.

the problem with monk heroes is they use prot skills to make red bars go up, so that's why dunkoro runs out so fast.

Wilhelm · Apr 15, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

I usually just stick a Blood Ritual on my Minion Master.

Annd, put Insignias on your heros......your low health, and energy.

olly123 · Apr 15, 2007, 03:41 PM // 15:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milennin

Allright, I've been trying to work on my Hero builds for a while, but can't find any good Energy Management for my two Monk Heroes, which I use for PvE.

I'm using these builds at the moment:

Tahlkora - Healer - 42 Energy - 540 Health

Attributes:
6 Inspiration Magic
14 Healing Prayers
12 Divine Favour

Word of Healing
Orison of Healing
Dwayna's Kiss
Smite Hex
Power Drain
Leech Signet
Channeling
Rebirth

ok Tahlkora u run to many e maintainment spells to make it worth a monk, uve got what 3 moved to heal?. ok my HB monk i run

[skill]Healer's Boon[/skill][skill]Signet of Devotion[/skill][skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill][skill]Ethereal Light[/skill][skill]Healing Touch[/skill][skill]Heal Party[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

i find he then never rusn in to energy problems, proberbly cos im the other monk but there u go :P.

i also run the old boon protect on my other monk if i need to have her with me and i find she runs it very well,

Milennin · Apr 15, 2007, 03:53 PM // 15:53

Will they use Glyph of Lesser Energy -> Aegis combo automatically, or do you have to activate it manually? And if they do auto, won't they do it at exact the same time (like they also do when I equip both with Power Drain).
Rest of the suggested builds looks pretty cool.8)

And what kind of Insignias are good to use?

EDIT - merging double post

Wow, that's a cool build, Olly.=P Healer's Boon looks good, too bad I'm not that far in Nightfall yet.<__<

Skuld · Apr 15, 2007, 04:21 PM // 16:21

they automatically use glyph+aegis and they are smart and chain the thing ;D

Div · Apr 15, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

I never liked the idea of running prot on hero monks, mainly since they're so bad at it and waste a lot of energy. Plus, I like my heroes to be customized to maximize damage and minimize time wasted on missions/quests, as most of the game doesn't require perfect monk builds to survive.

Milennin · Apr 15, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Well yeah, that's true, but I just want useful builds to do high level PvE like Titan quests or Sorrow's Furnace with.=P
I really should do some quests in Nightfall and buy Factions some time.>__>
Oh yeah, and I'll try out the Aegis combo.8)

Giga Strike · Apr 15, 2007, 06:26 PM // 18:26

my dunkoro has:

1: healing touch
2: orison of healing
3: word of healing
4: signet of devotion
5: dismiss condition
6: remove hex
7: ether signet
8: ressurection spell

he never runs out of energy but that might be because im healing at the same time.

Milennin · Apr 15, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Is it just me or don't they seem to use their Signet of Devotion?

Skuld · Apr 15, 2007, 08:56 PM // 20:56

put it in slot 1 or 2

olly123 · Apr 15, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuld

put it in slot 1 or 2

does it matter? i always run mine there cos thats where i run it in my bar, otherwise i froget to use it :P

its not that far it, once uve done the quest qhere u defend the fat prince form the ppl who deress up as char to kill him u can cap ot there

taichou · Apr 16, 2007, 07:55 PM // 19:55

gylph and channeling is good since they seem to run INTO mobs instead of away`

Poison Ivy · Apr 18, 2007, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Here's what I have on my heroes, Dunkoro runs the same Heal build as my Monk, so I can normally keep the party alive with just me and Tahlkora (except in Realm of Torment, then I need Mhenlo or that other ZB hench).

Me/Dunkoro

Light of Deliverance
Dwayna's Kiss
Words of Comfort
Signet of Rejuvenation
Healing Seed
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Aegis

16 Healing
11 Divine
9 Prot

Talhkora

Reversal of Fortune
Gift of Health (Works very good)
Dismiss Conditions
Divert Hexes
Spirit Bond/Protective Spirit
Shielding Hands
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Aegis

14 Prot
12 Heal
11 Divine

Radient or Survivors Insignia are fair choices, if you can afford them.

Skuld · Apr 18, 2007, 08:30 AM // 08:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by olly123

does it matter? i always run mine there cos thats where i run it in my bar, otherwise i froget to use it :P

its not that far it, once uve done the quest qhere u defend the fat prince form the ppl who deress up as char to kill him u can cap ot there

they give priority to things the further left on the bar

Patrick Smit · Apr 18, 2007, 08:50 AM // 08:50

I use a healersboon build on dunkie:
-Healers boon
-Holy haste
-dwayna's kiss
-signet of rejuvenation
-ethereal light
-words of comfort
-glyph of lesser energy
-heal party

He is good with the enchants, keeping em up at times when necessary, the glyph is used, but not always very smart. heal party he uses , but not to too smart, i have to force it sometimes, when its becoming efficient (5 persons that would benefit from it). He uses the signet on recharge, it works much better then sig of devotion, which doesnt work at all. You could probalby swap out thinks like holy haste, heal party and glyph, and try channeling and some other 5 e spells for example for hex removal.
He does not run out of energy as I am usually protting. Prot builds for monks dont seem to work too well when u have expensive spells like spirit bond and prot spirit that have a fast recharge. They also dont combine well with a minionmaster as they wanna heal the minions. I never run a minionmaster anymore as i find them too slow.

RoadKill97 · Apr 18, 2007, 11:25 AM // 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuld

they give priority to things the further left on the bar

That's not true.

The AI first checks the situation and then chooses the next action (heal, attack, remove hex and so on), and finally, what skill to use for the action. Skills have different priority, so when healing an ally, the AI will probably use Orison more likely than WoH, for example. But like I said, the order of the skills on the bar doesn't matter at all.

Giga Strike · Apr 18, 2007, 05:14 PM // 17:14

how do use glyph of lesser energy? just cast it any time its available?

olly123 · Apr 18, 2007, 05:35 PM // 17:35

noramaly when i know im about to use a high energy spell or when its avalabule